slackmistress
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Gender: Female
Hometown: Glen Ellyn, IL
Tagline: AntiSocialite
I Am Here For: friends
Relationship Status: married
Occupation: Writer. Blogger. Vlogger. Nerd Yenta.
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Aug 20, 2008 1:55 AM
I am finally finishing the latest script that I have been avoiding like the plague. Your Productivity with posts and Tweets have inspired me. Thank you, Slackmistress! -

Also, Just noticed you hail from Glen Ellyn. I was just there a week ago - Visiting Family back there. I knew there was something " Midwest" about you . :)
Aug 04, 2008 7:02 PM
Like the new bloggers. You can never get enough of nerd girls!
Jul 24, 2008 12:27 PM
hey,
nicee page you got here. interesting blog :)
Jun 24, 2008 1:51 PM
I'm not hating on the Nerd Girls - I think education is a fabulous thing. I hate the idea that the thing that's supposedly amazing is that they like lipstick and high heels and things that "typical" girls like. Which may be more a function of how the Newsweek writers wrote them (and I think I even say this in my post) rather than who they are.
Sam B. from ...
Jun 23, 2008 11:41 PM
The whole idea of the NERD GIRLS arose because of a lack of females in the engineering community. The founder is a female professor who felt that she had to overcome to reach the same levels of success that she saw her male counterparts encounter with less [whatever] - typical story in any field.

The point then, that you can extrapolate, is that the NERD GIRLS are meant to be an outreach program. The image of the NERD GIRLS you see has little to do with the actual program, an image created by studios and photographers to sell an image to the bright lights and flashy colors media machine.

The NERD GIRLS are meant to show that girls who tend to shy away from science at a young age because of the stigmas attached to the 'Nerd/Geek/Whatha veyou' community which dictate that you cannot be both 'wanted/beautifuf ul/recognized/pop ular' and also study hard and use your brain for something other than color matching and body painting.

The NERD GIRLS are a good thing. Did they sell out the name a little by doing a super upbeat photoshoot/video shoot, sure. Will there be any negative side-effect as many of you have suggested, absolutely not. This will not cause girls to forget that they are smart. This will not cause girls who are smart to long for beauty any more than every magazine and tv show you've ever heard of already does. Hating (if i may use a colloquialism) on the NERD GIRLS seems to be nit-picking minor aspects of how you 'wouldn't have done this or that' and much less about constructively criticizing a group that is seeking to promote the value of education. So you're against education? Now I understand your point of view...
Jun 13, 2008 7:32 PM
thanks for the add.
be sure to check out my blog.
LesaMay
Jun 03, 2008 6:04 PM
Waiting for the DVD. But not anxiously waiting.

xo,
LesaMay
ThisIsDeadAir.tv
May 30, 2008 12:14 AM
Love the site! That was the best smack in the jewels since "Man hit by Football in Groin" won an Academy Award. I enjoyed the science lesson as "pain receptors" let the body know to elevate pulse heart rate, etc... Maybe next time they'll show us how the amazing human body will shut down to protect itself when hit repeatedly in the head with a shovel. Sport truly is a sweet science.
May 22, 2008 11:32 AM
I can't seem to keep up with your blog, but I am still lovin' it. xo
May 21, 2008 1:23 AM
You follow direction very well...
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July 03, 2008 3:51 PM  (go back to main view)
No More Mr. Nice Guy?
By slackmistress
Outside of Friend Zoning, the other big complain I hear from the male side of the Nerd Romance War is:

I'm a nice guy, and girls - even nerd girls - don't want nice guys.

But then you hear girls say:

All I want is a nice guy!

Nice guys complain that they get shot down. Boys blame girls. Girls blame boys. And, as is usually the case with things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Here's how I see it:

Girls like nice guys.
We don't want yes-men. We don't want someone who will step-n-fetch-it. We don't want victims, poor-pitful-me's, a guy who sits and waits for life to happen to him. Lovable loser is indeed lovable, but only in an arm's length press-don't-press-that-against-me way.

Occasionally I'll see a fabulous NerdBoy who starts dating some girl who he doesn't seem to have much in common with: she makes fun of him and his nerdy pursuits, and he bends to her whim, trying to create himself in the image that she sees for him - even thought they're already supposedly dating. These "relationships" last two, maybe three months and then the NerdBoy is dumped with little to no warning. His heart is broken and he's convinced that he will never, EVER date anyone again. I mean, he had a chance with this chick and he blew it.

Sound familiar?

Occasionally, the fairer sex isn't so fair, and what she's attracted to initially is a guy who will do anything that she asks him to. It's not that she's attracted to the fact that he's nice - she's attracted to the fact that she can totally take advantage of him. She may not even realize this, simply basking in a glow of a new helper monkey. Those first few weeks are heaven, while you paint her apartment and pick up her sister at the airport and attend the Director's Cut of Beaches. You pack away your comic books and let you Wii collect dust and tell yourself you're happy because well, you're dating.

Except that she starts to get sick of having a sycophant and starts wanting a boyfriend. And then she reaches into your chest and pulls your heart out, and you are left convinced that girls don't want nice guys.

You won't be needing THIS...
You won't be needing THIS...

You deserve someone who actually likes you, not what you do for them.
This is more about them than it is about you, but it's good idea to start looking for the signs early. Like, is the relationship completely one-sided? Does she constantly make fun of you in public and private about your nerdy side? Does she ask you to change at all?

Don't be a yes-man.
You can be a nice guy and have an opinion. You can be a nice guy and disagree. You can be a nice guy and not be 100% available and willing all of the time. There is an enormous expanse betwixt "pushover" and "dickhead." Try living there for awhile!

I started Internet Dating back in 1997 simply to practice. I didn't date at all in high school and in college I had A Boyfriend. I never had the opportunity to go out with multiple people and just see what dating was like. What I learned about about three months of being in the fray is that I was working to make these people like me, without stopping to realize, did I like them?

You shouldn't have to work to make someone like you.
This is another bane of the "nice guy" but it comes off as "pushover." I understand when you like someone, it's hard not to try. And you should try. Just don't try so hard.

What it really comes down to?

Be confident.
Fake it if you have to. My entire personality is based on faking confidence. Really. Any time I take a big meeting or walk into a group of people I don't know, I always want to wet myself.

Embedded Media

So two studies have proven that bad boys get all the girls. (via Slashdot.) But if you read more closely, the discuss the Dark Triad:

The traits are the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive, thrill-seeking and callous behaviour of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism.

These are the guys who have more partners. And of course they are. Not because women are inexplicably attracted to the, but because they're not afraid to ask anyone out. Dating - online or off - can be a numbers game, and the only way you can find out if someone's interested in you is going out there and asking them if they are. A narcissist assumes everyone's interested, a psychopath probably doesn't care, and a Machiavellian probably adores the thrill of the chase and conquering.

Because these three traits also come off as confidence. But it's not the only way to be confident.

(Now, there are girls out there who actually seek out jerks. But ideally you're steering clear of the Too Messed Up To Date.)

Unlike the members of the Dark Triad, it's not going to necessarily get easier the more you approach people. Asking someone out will always be a nerve-wracking, embarrassing experience. But maybe it'll get less scary. Or maybe it'll seem more worth it. Or maybe, just maybe, you'll figure out that you're an awesome individual who brings a lo tto the table, and y'know what? That's enough.
Blog Comments (15):
Posted by Garzan on
Well, no is just an acronym for "Next One"; you do need to have the confidence to keep asking, even though you seem to be on a never ending loosing streak. Besides, not asking is the same as no, and the only way you can ever find a yes, is to keep hold of your 'happy thought' and keep on trying.
Posted by Bob Stein on
"It occurred to me at once that Harris had been as much afraid of me as I had been of him. This was a view of the question I had never taken before; but it was one I never forgot afterwards. From that event to the close of the war, I never experienced trepidation upon confronting an enemy, though I always felt more or less anxiety. I never forgot that he had as much reason to fear my forces as I had his. The lesson was valuable." —U.S.Grant

"Attempt easy tasks as if they were difficult, and difficult as if they were easy; in the one case that confidence may not fall asleep, in the other that it may not be dismayed." —Baltasar Gracián y Morales

"There were a great many things I was afraid of at first, ranging from grizzly bears, to gunfighters, to mean horses. But by acting as though I was not afraid, I gradually ceased to be afraid. Most people can have the same experience, if they only choose to do so." —Theodore Roosevelt

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure." —Marianne Williamson
Posted by screenplay... on
A gal pal of mine used to date another acquaintance who was, how should I say, a douche. This baffled me so I eventually asked her what was the most important trait she looked for in a guy. Confidence not only beat out humor, intelligence, compassion, looks etc. But all of them COMBINED. From that point on I realized how much (freshness and) confidence mattered.

BUT there are a couple of your points I'd like to touch on (that sounds wrong). The Dark Triad (luv that) study only sampled 200 people, which isn't the most statistically stable sample. Next, in my experience, playaz are not only pathological in their pursuit of tail, they are also generally indiscriminate. Thus the fact that they are getting a majority of the action comes with an asterisk. Finally, as anyone who goes out on a Friday night knows, there are scads of cads who affect bravado and, while it works, it's booooorrrrring.

So, in addition to showing confidence I'd like to add the idea of providing value and being differentiated. Yeah, this sounds Business 2.0-y, but nerds generally have special powers and are not cut from the same cloth as the cocky masses. Being confident about being different and showing you can offer something besides the usual can be really effective. It can feel counter-intuitive, but that awkwardness soon evaporates when you establish a connection based on something a bit deeper than the adult equivalent of pulling on her pigtails.

It's true. Trust me. Now to come up with a name for this that can defeat the Dark Triad.
Posted by Seidhr on
I agree completely. When I want to avoid a relationship, I pick "disposable men" (assholes). When I am open to the possibility, I only date nice, nerdy men. Doormats? Never. I know the temptation to crush them and be a jerk to them is too overwhelming for me to resist, so I avoid them (or I'm just friends w/ them). Nice though? An absolute requirement in anyone I'll be with long-term.
Posted by discotrash on
i love this post. it took me a long time to realize the one time I was dating "out of my league (eye roll)" that i was making myself crazy trying to prove i was enough for this guy when really looking back on it i wasn't even that into him. i was just into the idea of dating him and how it would look on me to be dating someone "normal" and sort of powerful. the minute i decided i didn't know what i wanted in a relationship and just stopped jumping through hoops for someone, what i wanted fell right in my lap.
Posted by zlato on
Very tight post, slackmistress. In particular I like that you mentioned dating as a form of practice. I would add that the point of the practice is to figure out what it is that you actually want in a relationship. Some traits will naturally carry more weight than others, so realizing your hierarchy of preferences is important too.

Ideally you can look at your relationships with your friends to discover your foundational criteria. Would you want to be around them if they demonstrated toward you the martyr-like behavior so many nice guys subject girls to?

Posted by slackmistr... on
Exactly. Also, what's cute or what you'd put up with in a friend can also be different than someone you wanna see naked.
Posted by Joe on
One of the best posts I've read here. Kudos on the amazing insight, slack. What might be a useful follow-up is just HOW to fake confidence. If you're insecure (raises hand), and you're told to fake being confident, it is distressingly easy to just emulate the toolboxes you see on TV or in your real life. That does nobody any good whatsoever. Perhaps the best way I've heard of comparing what we want vs. what we don't is "Beauty and the Geek" vs. "The Pick-Up Artist."
Posted by slackmistr... on
Oooh, good call. Will do!
Posted by leah on
i'm not sure if my comments show up here or not. this is an excellent post, nina. seriously, i can totally see you as a female "hitch". i don't know how you feel about coaching, but erm i'm suggesting it. (i'm pretty sure anything you attempt to do, you will do well.)

~piglet
Posted by slackmistr... on
I would LOVE to do that. I'm working on being able to get call in features to the live chats, and then I'm bringing the ASN chat back!
Posted by Brooke on
WOW. I'm sending this to all of my guy friends who are constantly getting their hearts broken (right after they've picked up her dry cleaning and dropped her dog off at the vet).

And, y'know, it's interesting to think about having to WORK to make someone like you. I have done that more frequently in friendships than in relationships, and it just never works out for the best. Eventually it becomes too tiring and the other person's agenda seems too overwhelming.

Thanks for this!!
Posted by slackmistr... on
Thanks for reading! If they've got feedback, please let me know!
Posted by Aaron Braz... on
I'm not confident so thanks for the link :)
Posted by slackmistr... on
Thanks for reading! Let me know how it works!
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Perhaps the best way I've heard of comparing what we want vs. what we don't is "Beauty and the Geek" vs. "The Pick-Up Artist."

--Joe, commenting on No More Mr. Nice Guy?