slackmistress
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Gender: Female
Hometown: Glen Ellyn, IL
Tagline: AntiSocialite
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Relationship Status: married
Occupation: Writer. Blogger. Vlogger. Nerd Yenta.
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Aug 20, 2008 1:55 AM
I am finally finishing the latest script that I have been avoiding like the plague. Your Productivity with posts and Tweets have inspired me. Thank you, Slackmistress! -

Also, Just noticed you hail from Glen Ellyn. I was just there a week ago - Visiting Family back there. I knew there was something " Midwest" about you . :)
Aug 04, 2008 7:02 PM
Like the new bloggers. You can never get enough of nerd girls!
Jul 24, 2008 12:27 PM
hey,
nicee page you got here. interesting blog :)
Jun 24, 2008 1:51 PM
I'm not hating on the Nerd Girls - I think education is a fabulous thing. I hate the idea that the thing that's supposedly amazing is that they like lipstick and high heels and things that "typical" girls like. Which may be more a function of how the Newsweek writers wrote them (and I think I even say this in my post) rather than who they are.
Sam B. from ...
Jun 23, 2008 11:41 PM
The whole idea of the NERD GIRLS arose because of a lack of females in the engineering community. The founder is a female professor who felt that she had to overcome to reach the same levels of success that she saw her male counterparts encounter with less [whatever] - typical story in any field.

The point then, that you can extrapolate, is that the NERD GIRLS are meant to be an outreach program. The image of the NERD GIRLS you see has little to do with the actual program, an image created by studios and photographers to sell an image to the bright lights and flashy colors media machine.

The NERD GIRLS are meant to show that girls who tend to shy away from science at a young age because of the stigmas attached to the 'Nerd/Geek/Whatha veyou' community which dictate that you cannot be both 'wanted/beautifuf ul/recognized/pop ular' and also study hard and use your brain for something other than color matching and body painting.

The NERD GIRLS are a good thing. Did they sell out the name a little by doing a super upbeat photoshoot/video shoot, sure. Will there be any negative side-effect as many of you have suggested, absolutely not. This will not cause girls to forget that they are smart. This will not cause girls who are smart to long for beauty any more than every magazine and tv show you've ever heard of already does. Hating (if i may use a colloquialism) on the NERD GIRLS seems to be nit-picking minor aspects of how you 'wouldn't have done this or that' and much less about constructively criticizing a group that is seeking to promote the value of education. So you're against education? Now I understand your point of view...
Jun 13, 2008 7:32 PM
thanks for the add.
be sure to check out my blog.
LesaMay
Jun 03, 2008 6:04 PM
Waiting for the DVD. But not anxiously waiting.

xo,
LesaMay
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May 30, 2008 12:14 AM
Love the site! That was the best smack in the jewels since "Man hit by Football in Groin" won an Academy Award. I enjoyed the science lesson as "pain receptors" let the body know to elevate pulse heart rate, etc... Maybe next time they'll show us how the amazing human body will shut down to protect itself when hit repeatedly in the head with a shovel. Sport truly is a sweet science.
May 22, 2008 11:32 AM
I can't seem to keep up with your blog, but I am still lovin' it. xo
May 21, 2008 1:23 AM
You follow direction very well...
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June 24, 2008 3:48 PM  (go back to main view)
NerdGirls Are Easy?
By slackmistress
By now, you've probably seen the Newsweek article "Revenge of the Nerdette" If not, go read it. No really, I'll wait.

My first comment? "Hooray! It's the Pussycat Dollification of Nerds!" But as a self-described NerdGirl, I wonder if I'm possibly partly to blame?

While word hasn't gotten to those in middle school, being a nerd or a geek isn't all that weird nowadays. We're no longer a strata of social outcast - in fact, with the advent of the Internet, I'd hazard to say that everyone can find a group of like-minded people regardless of your particular social poison. isn't that a good thing? So why do the Nerd Girls bother me so much?

While I'm more of a cultural nerd than a tech nerd, I've certainly been guilty of pairing the finer, erm, points of my sexuality with my nerdy pursuits (see above photo.) My intention has always been to capture both sides of my personality with a wink and a nod, as if I walked in not believing my own press. Whether it's Newsweek reporters Jessica Bennett and Jennie Yabroff's intention, their writing doesn't reflect the idea that as NerdGirls we can be whoever we want, dress however we want, have wide and varied interests beyond typical nerdy pursuits, but that we can break the lipstick barrier.

...they're challenging the notion of what a geek should look like, either by intentionally sexing up their tech personas, or by simply finding no disconnect between their geeky pursuits and more traditionally girly interests such as fashion, makeup and high heels.

Check it out! NerdGirls can be just as shallow that Non-NerdGirls! (And, in turn, it appears if you're not a Nerdy Female, you are interested in "fashion, makeup, and high heels." Congrats!)

Of course, we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. There are plenty of NerdGirls out there who are gorgeous and techy and deserve all the accolades they get. I'd hate to think that you have to be unattractive in the tech world to get ahead. But as Erin Kotecki Vest asks does it reinforce that they [NerdGirls] should be cute to be heard?

Or is this yet another way to not measure up and look down upon those who don't?

There's one thing everyone - and I mean everyone - has in common, and that's that we've all been picked on at one time or another. Nerds even moreso. A few weeks back, I was reading a post on Wil Wheaton's blog about how Jerry O'Connell accused him of being a bully on the set of Stand By Me and he felt sick over it. Are we more empathetic? Do our smartypants memories hang on to things longer? Are we too busy getting sand kicked in our faces to bully anyone else?

I'm all for bashing stereotypes, but the NerdGirls of the Newsweek article seem to be crashing the Typical Nerd stereotype by ascribing to the Typical Girl ones. We want to be judged on our brains instead of our looks. Now we get both!

I've been blogging since 1997. I didn't put a photo of myself on my blog until around 2004-5, simply because there was a certain sense of freedom in not being judged by what I looked like. Since then, I've been called hot as many times as I've been called hideous, I've been called sexy as many time as I've been called a fat pig.

However, not once did I think that no one would read because I didn't measure up to some random, reality-show-Cosmo-magazine prescribed ideal. As a chick, I had to deal with that every day. But as a nerd, I got to blissfully exist outside of it. Maybe the only one living in this nerdtopia was me.

But maybe my intentions were completely misread, too. Maybe I'm just as guilty as the NerdGirls.

Is this progress? What do you think? Vote! And elaborate in the comments...

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Edited to add: You should check out Dr. Ding's blog Ask Dr. Ding as she links to the Nerd Girls site, which has a slightly different take than the Newsweek article...

Blog Comments (15):
Posted by phearmyhee... on
Bring it on! In my opinion one of the reasons women shy away from tech is the stigma that goes with the job (intense nerd, up all night drinking jolt and omg, you can't possibly have a career in this field if you want to do stuff like, oh, take vacations or time off to have a kid). I've been asked several times in my career, with a slanted head and an intense look of wonder, "How did you get in to IT??" My typical answer is, "I like logic, I like troubleshooting logically."

I think if more women realized that the field is not all about being holed up in a cubicle with an unlimited supply of caffeine and coding all night long that maybe, just maybe, more of them would be attracted to it, which would be a good thing. If it takes some cute women to promote the field as a viable career path, I'm all for it.
Posted by slackmistr... on
That's an excellent point. I also think the "holed up all night drinking caffeine" might be less about that being an integral part of the job and more about obsessive nerd behavior! (Which I am also guilty of!)
Posted by screenplay... on
Weird. I was having a similar discussion yesterday with a client and his teenage daughter who is graduating from a famous NY geek school. What is a nerd/geek? Is there a distinction? To my mind, the designation isn't something you can label yourself - kinda like a nickname. The notion of being somehow picked on is interesting, but what happens if you're a nerd who was never chastised? The daughter argued that geekdom was defined by a certain type of passion. I think it's a combination of that and a social designation. But I'm not sure how that comes about.

As for the NerdGirl phenomena, I'm a bit tired of sexualization making things media-relevant. I agree with the point that coverage would be limited if there weren't photogenic examples. On the flip side, GeekGuyz only get noticed if they are wildly successful. It's interesting if you're a handsome guy, most people probably wouldn't consider you to be a geek, even if you fit all the typical criteria.
Posted by slackmistr... on
"As for the NerdGirl phenomena, I'm a bit tired of sexualization making things media-relevant. "

Bingo. Thank y ou.
Posted by Dawn on
The Nerd Girls themselves aren't a bad thing. What I hate are articles like this Newsweek piece, which are just modern versions of 60's/70's journalism about Dames Who Can Fix Cars! and Chicks Who Can Do Stuff Just Like Men! There's a "look - a talking dog!" quality to these pieces, like it's adorable how them little ladies can do clever things just like the menfolk.

And, of course, they have to point out that they're PRETTY, too. The implied surprise that attractive women actually have brains, too, is immensely insulting, and just serves to support stereotypes by presenting these girls as freaks.
Posted by slackmistr... on
Your first paragraph hits it on the head.
Posted by Wolven on
I agree with Dan Wilson, but I don't think they're unequivocally a good thing. The basic fact of the matter is that, because of these women, some girls and boys will become or remain shallow, looks-obsessed, and vapid. But some, SOME will see that their looks (no matter what those looks happen to be), don't necessitate any one kind of life, personality, or career path.

We should all be able to get behind people realising that there are a wide range of choices, available in their lives.
Posted by Nomi on
I think the word I would use to define them, and that contradicts the reality of most intellectual beauties, is "typical." Yes, plenty of 'nerdgirls' I know are hot, but usually there is something above and beyond their beauty that shines. Think Anais Nin, or Lizzie Bennett. Theres an individual, particular sense of style, or a carriage of self that speaks more intimately to you than "let me show you what America/ the media in general thinks hot should look like..."

here is an interesting essay on this topic, from 1898: http://tinyurl.com/6msddq
Posted by Caveman on
Although I'm in the nerd guy catigory I felt this article to be insulting and kinda "off the point".
The "Nerd Girls' they know are pretty smart people. The Nerd Girl I know is a music major, who can't take a complement, hides behind her dry wit because it is like a safety blanket for her, but still is the sweetest most genuine person I ever met.
I believe to be a true nerd (to quote a favorite musical of mine) "You've gotta have heart! Miles and miles and miles of heart!Oh, it's fine to be a genius of course! But keep that ol' horse before the cart! First you've got to have heart!"
Posted by Myra on
That video was hideous.. But both that and the article make me wonder how much was the writing of the girls, and how much was it intrusion by the powers that be -- a request for painted nails here, some clever editing there. The flashiness was so ridiculously over the top.

If this is just as they want to be seen, I pity them. That whole thing didn't say it's good to be geeky; it seemed to say you can be geeky -- just remember that you're still a girl and need to look perfect, and in the words of Paris Hilton, never fart.
Posted by Travis Kop... on
What bothers me most about these Nerd Girls is I think that they reinforce traditional notions of femininity in a really antediluvian kind of way. They've got this kind of "just because I'm smart doesn't mean I can't giggle" way about them that they are marketing as somehow progressive. F*** off Engineer Barbies.
Posted by Dan Wilson on
I voted that this is a good thing, and here's why. Change comes in increments. If social change stopped here, I'd be really, really concerned. The stereotype of "if you're smart, you're unfeminine, unattractive, and unwanted has been around for a long time, and it's been extremely powerful.

Ideally, your looks and your gender should have NOTHING to do with your brains and how you use them... and we're moving towards that. At the moment, though, we're seeing a whiplash. Super hot chick engineers? NEWS! Why is it news? Because of the stereotype.

When the stereotype is no longer pervasive, it will no longer be news and we'll find ourselves settling towards it all being a non-issue. But don't expect to see that until the next generation of girls is graduating high school.
Posted by Dr. Ding on
I'm just glad that it's even up for debate. I'm glad those of us bodacious types so afflicted with "geekquiescence" are finally getting some attention.

Full disclosure: by bodacious I mean having exactly one head.

I am linking to this post. Rock on, SlackMistress!
Posted by Will Campb... on
Want to... click link... but free will caught... somehow in tractor... beam generated by... included image of tee. Agh! Can't. Break! Free!
Posted by Betheboy on
If nerd becomes the new cheerleader it makes it harder for geek guys to get geek girls.
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